Ian Macdonald

On a point of order, Mr Deputy President. I raised some questions in the debate which related to Senator Ludwig. He is trying to answer them. I move:

That so much of standing orders be suspended as would prevent the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry (Senator Ludwig) responding to questions raised during the debate by Senator Macdonald.

Question put.

The Senate divided [21:46]

(The Deputy President-Senator Parry)

Question negatived.

Stephen Parry

The question now is that the bill be read a second time.

The Senate divided. [21:50]

(The Deputy President-Senator Parry)

Question agreed to.

Bill read a second time.

The question now is that amendments (1) to (6) on sheet BT208 circulated by the government be agreed to.

Government's circulated amendments

(1)   Clause 2, page 2 (table item 2), omit the table item, substitute:

[commencement of Schedule 1]

(2)   Schedule 1, item 17, page 7 (line 2), omit "If there is any inconsistency in", substitute "In".

[primary considerations]

(3)   Schedule 1, item 19, page 7 (lines 18 and 19), omit paragraph 60CC (3)(k), substitute:

  (k)   if a family violence order applies, or has applied, to the child or a member of the child's family-any relevant inferences that can be drawn from the order, taking into account the following:

     (i)   the nature of the order;

     (ii)   the circumstances in which the order was made;

     (iii)   any evidence admitted in proceedings for the order;

     (iv)   any findings made by the court in, or in proceedings for, the order;

     (v)   any other relevant matter;

(4)   Schedule 1, item 22, page 9 (line 21), omit "if there is any inconsistency".

(5)   Schedule 1, item 45, page 15 (line 9), omit "Subject to item 47, the", substitute "The".

(6)   Schedule 1, item 45, page 15 (line 11), omit "whether instituted before,", substitute "instituted".

Question agreed to.

The question now is that amendments (1) to (3) on sheet 7150 circulated by the Australian Greens be agreed to.

Greens ' _ circulated amendments-_

(1)   Schedule 1, item 8, page 5 (after line 4), at the end of subsection 4AB(2), add:

  ; or (k)   an act or omission by a person engaging in the behaviour mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (j) that causes a child to be exposed to the effects of the behaviour mentioned in those paragraphs.

(2)   Schedule 2, page 21 (before line 1), before item 15, insert:

14A Subsection 61C(1) (note 2)

Repeal the note.

14B Section 61DA

Repeal the section.

14C Section 61DB (heading)

Repeal the heading, substitute:

61DB Allocation of parental responsibility after interim parenting order made

(3)   Schedule 2, page 21 (after line 17), after item 17, insert:

17A Subsection 65D(1)

Omit "sections 61DA (presumption of equal shared parental responsibility when making parenting orders) and", substitute "section".

17B Subsection 65D(2)

Omit "61DA (presumption of equal shared parental responsibility when making parenting orders) and".

Ian Macdonald

Mr Deputy President, I have a point of order. I ask how under the standing orders we can possibly vote on this when I have not heard the Greens move the amendment and explain what the amendment is. I may well want to vote for it but I have had no opportunity to hear the debate. I simply ask how could we possibly have-

Stephen Parry

Order! Senator Macdonald, resume your seat.

Honourable senators interjecting-

Order! Senator Conroy and those on my left. Senator Macdonald, you have the call and you are raising a point of order.

Ian Macdonald

I was raising the point of order that we are being asked to vote on some amendments moved by the Greens. I have not heard the Greens move the amendments. I do not know what the arguments are. I fancy that I may want to vote for them but I have not heard them debated. How can I possibly vote for an amendment that I have not heard debated.

Stephen Parry

There is no point of order. A resolution of the Senate was passed yesterday to orchestrate the facility of the bills to be put as they are currently being put. The question now is that amendments (1) to (3) on sheet 7150 circulated by the Australian Greens be agreed to.

Question negatived.

The question now is that items (2), (3), (6), (8), (18), (20), (26) and (27), (40) and (43) of schedule 1 stand as printed.

Question agreed to.

The question now is that amendment (11) on sheet 7149 circulated by the opposition be agreed to.

Opposition 's _ circulated amendment-_

(11) Schedule 1, item 45, page 15 (lines 9 and 10), omit "items 1 to 8, 11, 13, 17 to 21, 30 to 34, 37, 38 and 40 to 43", substitute "items 1, 4, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 21, 30 to 34, 37, 38, 41 and 42".

The question is agreed to.

Honourable senators interjecting-

Joe Ludwig

A division is required.

Stephen Parry

I will go back to the previous question. A division is required. Ring the bells for one minute.

An opposition senator: This is a farce.

George Brandis

I have a point of order, Mr Deputy President. You have called this vote for the ayes. You asked whether a division was required. There was no voice for the noes calling for a division.

Stephen Conroy

Yes, there was.

George Brandis

No, there was not. You then moved on. If the government, who have obviously not been following the process tonight, have made a mistake and they wish the matter to be recommitted there is a manner of doing that. But the manner of doing that is not to shout down the Presiding Officer, as government senators have been attempting to do. If they want to recommit the division they should get up and explain themselves.

Stephen Parry

Thank you, Senator Brandis. There was a lot of noise in the chamber. Government senators as well as opposition senators have been making a lot of noise during all of the divisions and the reading out of what the divisions are. I am happy to give the government the benefit of the doubt and allow them to call the division because of the noes that they have called. A division has been called for; the bells are going to be rung for one minute. Clerk, have the bells been rung for one minute? No? Ring the bells for one minute.

The question is that amendment (11) on sheet 7149 moved by the opposition be agreed to.

The Senate divided. [21:59]

(The Deputy President-Senator Parry)

Question negatived.

_ In division- _

Ian Macdonald

Mr Deputy President, I raise a point of order on a very serious matter of etiquette in this chamber. There are two Labor senators sitting where I normally sit. They happen to be looking through my papers.

Government senators interjecting-

Mr Deputy President, this is a very, very serious matter. When we move sides in this chamber you expect that you can leave your papers on your desk and not have them looked at by members of the other party. I would ask that the matter of Senator Collins looking through my papers actually be-

Honourable senators interjecting-

Jacinta Collins

Put it on the record!

Stephen Parry

Order! Senator Macdonald has the call, in an unusual circumstance, being out of his seat. Senator Macdonald.

Ian Macdonald

I only paused then because Senator Collins was shouting at one of my colleagues. But I do raise this as a very serious matter of privilege that someone who is sitting in my seat because we have changed sides is actually looking through my papers that I left on my desk about the speeches I am going to make on the next four bills that are scheduled to be dealt with by this chamber tonight. I am very serious about senators from other parties looking through the papers of senators from the other party when they sit in their seats because of changing sides in divisions. I think I should ask that this matter actually be referred to the Privileges Committee.

Kate Lundy

Mr Deputy President, on the point of order there is absolutely no basis to the complaint that Senator Macdonald has made. I am sitting next to Senator Collins, and it is utterly false.

Opposition senators interjecting-

Stephen Parry

Senators on my right, order! Senator Macdonald, in relation to your point of order, I say two things. I remind all senators that the courtesy and the conduct of this Senate over numerous years is that you do observe that protocol of not reading material on desks when divisions are in progress. That is the first matter. The second matter, Senator Macdonald, is I will discuss with the President your cause and if further action needs to be taken the President can make that decision and come back to the Senate.

Votes Not passed by a small majority

Nobody rebelled against their party.

Party Votes
Australian Greens (100% turnout) 0 Yes 9 No
Bob Brown Tasmania No
Richard Di Natale Victoria No
Sarah Hanson-Young SA No
Scott Ludlam WA No
Christine Milne Tasmania No
Lee Rhiannon NSW No
Rachel Siewert WA No
Larissa Waters Queensland No
Penny Wright SA No
Australian Labor Party (90% turnout) 0 Yes 27 No
Mark Arbib NSW No
Catryna Bilyk Tasmania No
Mark Bishop WA No
Carol Brown Tasmania No
Doug Cameron NSW No
Kim Carr Victoria No
Jacinta Collins Victoria No
Stephen Conroy Victoria No
Trish Crossin NT No
Don Farrell SA No
John Faulkner NSW No
David Feeney Victoria No
Mark Furner Queensland No
Alex Gallacher SA No
Joe Ludwig Queensland No
Kate Lundy ACT No
Gavin Marshall Victoria No
Anne McEwen SA No
Claire Moore Queensland No
Helen Polley Tasmania No
Louise Pratt WA No
Nick Sherry Tasmania No
Lisa Singh Tasmania No
Ursula Stephens NSW No
Glenn Sterle WA No
Matt Thistlethwaite NSW No
Anne Urquhart Tasmania No
Chris Evans WA Absent
Jan McLucas Queensland Absent
Penny Wong SA Absent
Nigel Scullion NT Country Liberal Party Yes
John Madigan Victoria Democratic Labor Party Yes
Stephen Parry Tasmania Deputy President Absent
Nick Xenophon SA Independent Yes
Liberal Party (89% turnout) 24 Yes 0 No
Eric Abetz Tasmania Yes
Judith Adams WA Yes
Christopher Back WA Yes
Simon Birmingham SA Yes
George Brandis Queensland Yes
David Bushby Tasmania Yes
Michaelia Cash WA Yes
Richard Colbeck Tasmania Yes
Mathias Cormann WA Yes
Sean Edwards SA Yes
Alan Eggleston WA Yes
David Fawcett SA Yes
Mitch Fifield Victoria Yes
Mary Fisher SA Yes
Gary Humphries ACT Yes
David Johnston WA Yes
Helen Kroger Victoria Yes
Ian Macdonald Queensland Yes
Brett Mason Queensland Yes
Stephen Parry Tasmania Yes
Marise Payne NSW Yes
Michael Ronaldson Victoria Yes
Scott Ryan Victoria Yes
Arthur Sinodinos NSW Yes
Cory Bernardi SA Absent
Sue Boyce Queensland Absent
Concetta Fierravanti-Wells NSW Absent
Bill Heffernan NSW Absent
National Party (100% turnout) 5 Yes 0 No
Ron Boswell Queensland Yes
Barnaby Joyce Queensland Yes
Bridget McKenzie Victoria Yes
Fiona Nash NSW Yes
John Williams NSW Yes
John Hogg Queensland President Absent
Totals (89% turnout) 32 Yes – 36 No