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senate vote 2018-12-06#14
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Business — Consideration of Legislation- Home Affairs Legislation Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2018 - Second Reading - Put the question
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<p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Hanson, are you raising a point of order?</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>No. I seek leave to move a motion to extend debate until five o'clock.</p><p>Leave not granted.</p><p>Pursuant to contingent notice, I move:</p><p class="italic">That so much of standing orders be suspended as would prevent further consideration of the bill until 5 pm.</p><p>Honourable senators interjecting—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Order! If people would just be quiet and let the motion be read they would then have the chance to raise their points of order. Senator Abetz.</p> <p class="speaker">Eric Abetz</p><p>That is exactly my point of order. Given that this is a verbal motion being given to the Senate, it is vitally important that we all get to hear it.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Hanson?</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>I'm seeking leave to move a motion to extend debate until 5 pm.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Leave was not granted, so you're now moving—</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>I'm moving contingent notice that so much of standing orders be suspended as would prevent further consideration of the bill until 5 pm. I would like to make my comments here because this debate is being shut down in the chamber by people who—</p> <p class="speaker">Penny Wong</p><p>Mr President, a point of order—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>I've taken advice from the Clerk, Senator Wong. On the point of order, I'm happy to provide the advice I was just given by the Clerk. Do you wish to continue, Senator Hanson? Briefly, please, not a speech. Have you finished your notification to the Senate about what you're asking the Senate to vote on?</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>That I've asked for a contingent notice, yes.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Right. The point of order that was inevitably raised is: is this in order, given the Senate's previous vote? Firstly, this is not a contingent notice. This is a simple motion to suspend standing orders, according to my advice from the Clerk. The second matter, with respect to it being in order to move this motion given the previous vote of the Senate, is that this is, firstly, a different motion—it applies to the extension of time, not the deferral of a vote beyond the end of this parliamentary session. Secondly, when we dealt with the income tax bills following the budget and exactly the same thing happened, there were two opportunities for the Senate to consider alteration of the time-management motion that had previously been put in place. I give notice that this is the last time I will entertain a motion to change the time limitation, consistent with my rulings at that time. But this motion is now in order. Senator Hanson is free to speak for five minutes to the motion she has just moved.</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>Thank you very much, Mr President. I feel cheated, and so do the people of Australia, that they have not been able to have their voice heard in this place with regard to this. They're shutting down debate on this, which is such a very important issue. People stand up and talk about national security, but they're not prepared to actually debate it and talk about the issues that are happening. There are 483 unauthorised maritime arrivals on Nauru and a further 607 males on Manus Island. You are more concerned about the people over there then you are about the people here in Australia. I hear the debate in this place about the children. You're worried about children. I'm worried about children first, but would you please go and have an understanding of what's happening to the children in the Northern Territory with the sexual abuse that is happening to them—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Bernardi, a point of order?</p> <p class="speaker">Cory Bernardi</p><p>My point of order is that I'm finding it very difficult to hear Senator Hanson—I'm very close—because Senator Pratt is interjecting most loudly and rudely, and saying things that are almost unparliamentary, I would say.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Thank you, Senator Bernardi. Interjections are disorderly. For those concerned about time, I urge you to be quiet and there will be no more points of order about noise.</p> <p class="speaker">Pauline Hanson</p><p>Thank you very much, Mr President. I'm glad you are really interested in what I have to say because every Australian should be. It annoys the heck out of me and a lot of Australian people that the Greens have more interest in what's happening around the world and in other countries than they do in the people here in Australia. As I have said, in the Northern Territory, you've got the sexual abuse of children, babies, and what is done about it? Is everyone screaming about that in this chamber? There's nothing. You're all quiet.</p><p>You're worried about these children over there. There are nine left there and you're worried about them. Do you know what they're doing? They're shopping for doctors. They get on Skype, they find a doctor that appeals to them and then they go to the judge at one o'clock in the morning. I say, 'What is happening to these people?' We don't even have that in Australia for the Australian people. They've got 61 doctors over there. There is one doctor to every eight refugees. I can't even get doctors out to rural and regional areas in Australia. We're providing that number of doctors at a cost of $450 million a year to the taxpayers?</p><p>These are not people who came here; these are people who have been denied coming here to Australia. Not only that but our obligation to them is on a welfare and medical basis. We have provided those. We have spent the taxpayers' dollars building a hospital wing on Nauru for these people. They had been taken to Taiwan. Some went while others refused to go there saying, 'We are coming to Australia because they are so soft over there.' Once they get to this country, they want to stay here.</p><p>You know what the Australian people tell me they get annoyed about? The Australian people are fed up with seeing refugees being given preference over Australians for hospitals, for housing, for welfare, for everything. The Australian people are fed up with it. They want to be looked after themselves. We are taxpaying Australians here and these people, who are economic refugees, have cost Australian taxpayers. They paid their way to get into this country.</p><p>This is about border protection. This is about looking after our borders. What did Kevin Rudd say? He confirmed that, if they are found to be genuine refugees, they will be resettled in Papua New Guinea. You're going to open up the floodgates. If you allow this to happen, you will open up the floodgates for more people to come here. There are 14,000 waiting in Indonesia to come here to Australia. I reiterate what I said: the Greens are absolutely disgusting and their attitude towards the Australian people is that they are more concerned about other people around the world. If that's your attitude then get out of this place because you don't deserve to be a representative of the Australian people. I believe that, if there are truly children in need of help, that help has been given to them by the 61 doctors there—more help than we give to Australian citizens.</p><p>I say to the people here: you are representatives of the people of Australia first and foremost. Don't try and be the representatives for the world. Look after your own people here. That's all they're crying out for. Understand their needs and concerns, get them medical assistance and get doctors to rural and regional Australia because that is where we need the help and assistance and stop worrying about everyone around the world. Clean up our own backyard first. That's what the Australian people want: to clean up our own backyard first.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>There is no doubt the Senate should be spending more time dealing with what is a very important piece of legislation, in particular, given how many amendments have been circulated. The amendments that have been circulated by Senator McKim and Senator Storer present a very serious risk to the integrity of our border protection policy framework. They present a serious risk in that they undermine the effective operation of our offshore processing arrangements. One of the central foundations of our successful efforts to stop the boats, which flooded Australia during the last Labor government, was a three-pronged policy framework. The first part was to turn boats around when it was safe to do so, which was something that former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said could not be done, but, of course, it was done. And it was done under the leadership of none other than our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison. Our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, is the one who actually cleaned up the mess left behind by two successive Labor governments, with the very active and outstanding support of none other than Senator Jim Molan, who provided significant advice to Mr Morrison in opposition and subsequent to coming into government. So the first part was to turn the boats around when it was safe to do so. The second part was temporary protection visas, and the third was offshore processing arrangements.</p><p>Under Labor, 800 boats arrived here illegally with more than 50,000 illegal boat arrivals and more than 1,000 people drowned at sea. Labor is now attaching themselves to a Greens motion, moved by Senator McKim of all people. If Senator McKim is going to be writing the national security policies of the Leader of the Opposition—who wants the Australian people to believe that he is the alternative Prime Minister of Australia—I say to the Australian people: 'Don't risk it. You don't want your Prime Minister to be somebody who is prepared to have his border security policies written by Senator McKim.' You could have knocked me over with a feather when I was advised that Labor had decided—</p> <p class="speaker">Penny Wong</p><p>A pretty big stick or a pretty big feather?</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I'm going to resist the interjection because otherwise there will be points of order and you'll be blaming me for playing for time. I wouldn't want you to think that somehow I'm not interested in the efficient—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Order! Senator Macdonald, on a point of order.</p> <p class="speaker">Ian Macdonald</p><p>Mr President, it's people who are not even in the chamber who are interjecting, which is very disorderly. They're people who have been around for a while, and they should know better, so I ask you to call them to order. I'm sorry to interrupt my leader.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Quite right. There should be no interjections at all, especially from outside the floor of the chamber.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>My initial assessment was there's no way Mr Shorten would want to be part of a Greens initiated amendment to our offshore processing arrangement but, knock me dead, he is. He is allowing the Greens to write his border protection policy. What I say to the Australian people is: if you don't want to see a return to drownings at sea, if you don't want to see a return of the people smugglers, if you don't want to see the people smugglers get back into business and send illegal boat arrivals to Australia, then don't elect Mr Shorten. His behaviour here today shows to everyone who cares about our border protection arrangements what Mr Shorten would do as Prime Minister. Of course, last time Labor was in government—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Macdonald, on a point of order.</p> <p class="speaker">Ian Macdonald</p><p>I'm sorry to interrupt my leader, but there seems to be another meeting happening in the chamber. There's this meeting here in the chamber, and there seems to be a meeting of several senators up there. They can go outside.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Macdonald, by convention, senators are allowed to consult with advisers at the advisors box. There is no noise coming from that corner. I think it's being conducted in an orderly fashion.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>The final point I would make is that, when Labor and the Greens last changed our border protection policies, do you know what happened? We had illegal boat arrivals as far south as Geraldton in Western Australia. The people who were sitting in the Dome Cafe in Geraldton could have been knocked over with a feather too. There was a boat coming over the horizon with illegal boat arrivals. That was the outcome of the last time Labor joined with the Greens to fiddle with our border protection policy framework. Don't do it. Our message to the Labor Party is: 'Don't do it. You don't know how to protect our country. Let us do it. Just accept that our policy framework works'—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Bernardi, on a point of order.</p> <p class="speaker">Cory Bernardi</p><p>After your rulings about interjections being disorderly, the only thing I can hear is Senator Whish-Wilson and maybe Senator Cameron interjecting. I'm not sure. It's so noisy I can't hear Senator Cormann.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>To be fair to Senator Cameron, I don't think he's in the chamber. Oh, he is. I again remind senators—particularly those concerned about time—the fewer interjections, the fewer points of order. Senator Cormann.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I would have thought the Labor Party would have learned, if they want to keep our country safe, to keep our policies in place and not to fiddle with our border protection framework by joining in with the Greens as they are again doing today. That's what they did last time, and look at the chaos that created, including more than a thousand people dead at sea. Surely you don't want to go back there. Don't do it. If you do do it, I say to the Australian people: don't vote in the Labor Party at the next election. Don't do it.</p> <p class="speaker">Penny Wong</p><p>I move:</p><p class="italic">That the motion be now put.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>The question is that the motion to suspend standing orders, moved by Senator Hanson, be now put.</p> -
- The majority voted in favour of a [motion](https://www.openaustralia.org.au/senate/?gid=2018-12-06.118.1) to *put the question*, which means that the [motion under discussion](https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/divisions/senate/2018-12-06/15) will be voted on immediately instead of debating it any further. These motions are a type of gagging order.
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