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senate vote 2018-12-03#3
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2023-06-02 12:35:50
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Title
Business — Consideration of Legislation- Business - Consideration of Legislation - Speed things along
Description
<p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I move:</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p>Honourable senators interjecting—</p> <p class="speaker">Penny Wong</p><p>Point of order.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>You'll raise a point of order after Senator Cormann has the—</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I've stood up first.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Cormann has precedence, which I—</p> <p class="speaker">Penny Wong</p><p>It's 1.50.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Order! I have just sought advice on the matters that I could predict would come up.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>You didn't give us any courtesy.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Collins, please resume your seat. I'm going to allow Senator Cormann to move it, and then I will take your point of order. But Senator Cormann does have precedence. It's a tradition I respect for both the leader of the government and the Leader of the Opposition on numerous occasions. Senator Cormann.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I move:</p><p>Opposition senators interjecting—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>I've called Senator Cormann. He's going to finish doing this—</p><p class="italic">Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting—</p><p>I have called Senator Cormann. I have sought advice from the Clerk on the matter of the time, and I'm going to rule on it, but Senator Cormann had the call.</p><p>Opposition senators interjecting—</p><p>Yes, and I'm allowed to let the person who had the call—</p><p>Opposition senators interjecting—</p><p>I sought advice from the Clerk on this matter and the matter of 1.50, which I will soon explain, is not relevant to Senator Cormann moving this motion, which I will explain after the courtesy is granted to him to put what he wants to on the record.</p> <p class="speaker">Mathias Cormann</p><p>I move:</p><p class="italic">That a motion relating to the consideration of legislation may be moved immediately and determined without amendment or debate.</p><p>And I move:</p><p class="italic">That the question be now put.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Now, Senator Wong, on the point of order on time, I sought advice from the Clerk on this matter during the last division, before it reached 1.50, while the numbers were being counted, and the Clerk has advised me that, consistent with past practice, we have already suspended standing orders, and that allows the minister to move this particular motion, because the effect of that motion was the 1.50 cut-off did not apply to the moving of this subsequent motion subsequent to the previous vote. The Clerk has advised me that that is consistent with past practice. Senator Collins.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>The question I raised earlier that I was hoping for you to illuminate us on was on standing order No. 87. That has not yet been addressed. What all senators in this place need clarification on is how this motion, circulated very late in the piece with no notice, no warning, no consultation, was that he would move that the limitation of debate of the Sex Discrimination Amendment (Removing Discrimination Against Students) Bill 2018 no longer operate. We determined this matter last Thursday. We went through the correct processes to do—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Are you raising a point of order? Senator Collins, please resume your seat. You've raised your point of order, which is: does the motion moved by Senator Cormann contravene standing order 87. Now, that motion cannot be ruled on, by the way, until Senator Cormann has had a chance to move the motion, which is why I wanted to give him an opportunity to actually move the motion.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>Without debate.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Hang on. You can't raise a point of order about a motion being outside the standing orders until the motion is moved. So I have sought the advice of the Clerk on this matter, and you were kind enough to provide me with your query earlier to allow me to seek advice from the Clerk, and the Clerk has said, again, consistent with past practice, the suspension of standing orders means that standing order 87 does not apply to prevent the moving of this motion and that that is also consistent with the past practice of the Senate. I wanted Senator Cormann to move it, because the point of order can only be raised after it is moved. Senator Collins.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>If we are, indeed, dealing with the motion that Senator Cormann has now moved—which, as I said, is that the limitation of debate on the Sex Discrimination Amendment—</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>What is the point of order, Senator Collins?</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>No, I'm speaking to the motion.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>No, he's moved 'and the motion be put'.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>How can he move that such a motion now be put?</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>He has.</p> <p class="speaker">Jacinta Collins</p><p>We have the capacity to debate whether we should change our affairs in the way that he has proposed.</p> <p class="speaker">Scott Ryan</p><p>Senator Collins, please resume your seat. The question is now that the motion moved by Senator Cormann be put—the procedural matter that the question be put. The question is that the question be now put.</p> -
- The majority voted in favour of a [motion](https://www.openaustralia.org.au/senate/?gid=2018-12-03.18.30) to "put the question." This ends debate and means [the question](https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/divisions/senate/2018-12-03/4) will be voted on straight away.
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