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senate vote 2008-06-18#9
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<p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>We move to proposed reference No. 8-that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to a committee.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>Mr President, a point of clarification: what is the date on that referral coming back?</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I will read the whole question, which is: that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters for inquiry and report by 30 June 2009 in conjunction with the committee’s inquiry into the 2007 federal election.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>Mr President, I would like to move an amendment to that motion.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senator Fielding, the debate is closed. You did not foreshadow an amendment, so you will have to seek leave to move an amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>I seek leave to move an amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Is leave granted?</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, it is quite a serious matter for the Senate at this stage to be asked to consider an amendment. I think it would be prudent for the Senate to hear what the amendment is before we give leave to consider the matter.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I can only ask you to give leave or otherwise. Is leave granted?</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I would like to hear what the amendment is before we vote on that matter.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>The amendment is for the reporting date to be before November 2008.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senators have heard the amendment. Is leave granted for Senator Fielding to move the amendment?</p><p>Leave granted.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>I move:</p><p><i>Omit “by 30 June 2009”, substitute “before November 2008”.</i></p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, the Senate is being asked to agree to an unspecified date before November. If we are going to proceed with the matter, I suggest that the senator specify the reporting date that he wants the Senate to consider.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>If I heard the amendment correctly, Senator Fielding moved that it should be before November. If it is before November, the date would have to be 31 October or before.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I just want to comment on the process here. We can make a determination on this, but it is inappropriate that the Senate be asked to deal with an amendment like this outside the debate.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senator Brown, because Senator Fielding has moved the amendment and you have already spoken, you can only take a point of order or seek leave to make further comments.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I haven’t spoken on the amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Yes, you did. You spoke a few minutes ago. You are allowed to speak only once. After he moved the amendment you stood on your feet and spoke. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to.</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p><i>Honourable senators interjecting-</i></p> <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p><p>Mr President, although I supported the motion for an earlier date, I did not support the division. I do not know anyone else who supported the division.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I was sure I heard two noes. I will put the question again. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I did hear two ayes. Is a division required?</p> <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p><p>No.</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p><i>Honourable senators interjecting-</i></p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Order! Let’s get this clarified properly. I am going to put the question one more time. Is the amendment moved by Senator Fielding agreed to? Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I think the noes have it. Is a division required?</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>Yes.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I am sorry, Senator Fielding; only one voice said yes.</p><p>Question negatived.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, I ask that the Greens support for the amendment be recorded.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>The question now is that proposed reference No. 8, relating to the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008, be agreed to.</p> - Alan Ferguson
- We move to proposed reference No. 8-that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to a committee.
- Steve Fielding
- Mr President, a point of clarification: what is the date on that referral coming back?
- Alan Ferguson
- I will read the whole question, which is: that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters for inquiry and report by 30 June 2009 in conjunction with the committee’s inquiry into the 2007 federal election.
- Steve Fielding
- Mr President, I would like to move an amendment to that motion.
- Alan Ferguson
- Senator Fielding, the debate is closed. You did not foreshadow an amendment, so you will have to seek leave to move an amendment.
- Steve Fielding
- I seek leave to move an amendment.
- Alan Ferguson
- Is leave granted?
- Bob Brown
- Mr President, it is quite a serious matter for the Senate at this stage to be asked to consider an amendment. I think it would be prudent for the Senate to hear what the amendment is before we give leave to consider the matter.
- Alan Ferguson
- I can only ask you to give leave or otherwise. Is leave granted?
- Bob Brown
- I would like to hear what the amendment is before we vote on that matter.
- Steve Fielding
- The amendment is for the reporting date to be before November 2008.
- Alan Ferguson
- Senators have heard the amendment. Is leave granted for Senator Fielding to move the amendment?
- Leave granted.
- Steve Fielding
- I move:
- _Omit “by 30 June 2009”, substitute “before November 2008”._
- Bob Brown
- Mr President, the Senate is being asked to agree to an unspecified date before November. If we are going to proceed with the matter, I suggest that the senator specify the reporting date that he wants the Senate to consider.
- Alan Ferguson
- If I heard the amendment correctly, Senator Fielding moved that it should be before November. If it is before November, the date would have to be 31 October or before.
- Bob Brown
- I just want to comment on the process here. We can make a determination on this, but it is inappropriate that the Senate be asked to deal with an amendment like this outside the debate.
- Alan Ferguson
- Senator Brown, because Senator Fielding has moved the amendment and you have already spoken, you can only take a point of order or seek leave to make further comments.
- Bob Brown
- I haven’t spoken on the amendment.
- Alan Ferguson
- Yes, you did. You spoke a few minutes ago. You are allowed to speak only once. After he moved the amendment you stood on your feet and spoke. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to.
- Honourable Senators
- _Honourable senators interjecting-_
- Andrew Murray
- Mr President, although I supported the motion for an earlier date, I did not support the division. I do not know anyone else who supported the division.
- Alan Ferguson
- I was sure I heard two noes. I will put the question again. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I did hear two ayes. Is a division required?
- Andrew Murray
- No.
- Honourable Senators
- _Honourable senators interjecting-_
- Alan Ferguson
- Order! Let’s get this clarified properly. I am going to put the question one more time. Is the amendment moved by Senator Fielding agreed to? Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I think the noes have it. Is a division required?
- Steve Fielding
- Yes.
- Alan Ferguson
- I am sorry, Senator Fielding; only one voice said yes.
- Question negatived.
- Bob Brown
- Mr President, I ask that the Greens support for the amendment be recorded.
- Alan Ferguson
- The question now is that proposed reference No. 8, relating to the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008, be agreed to.
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senate vote 2008-06-18#9
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Same-Sex Relationships (Equal Treatment in Commonwealth Laws — Superannuation) Bill 2008; Tax Laws Amendment (Medicare Levy Surcharge Thresholds) Bill 2008; National Health Amendment (Pharmaceutical and Other Benefits — Cost Recovery) Bill 2008; Tax Laws Amendment (Luxury Car Tax) Bill 2008; a New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax Imposition — General) Amendment Bill 2008; a New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax Imposition — Customs) Amendment Bill 2008; a New Tax System (Luxury Car Tax Imposition — Excise) Amendment Bill 2008; Excise Legislation Amendment (Condensate) Bill 2008; Excise Tariff Amendment (Condensate) Bill 2008; National Fuelwatch (Empowering Consumers) Bill 2008; National Fuelwatch (Empowering Consumers) (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2008; Tax Laws Amendment (2008 Measures No. 3) Bill 2008; Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 — Referral to Committees- Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 - Referral to Committees
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<p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>We move to proposed reference No. 8—that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to a committee.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>We move to proposed reference No. 8-that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to a committee.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>Mr President, a point of clarification: what is the date on that referral coming back?</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>I will read the whole question, which is: that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters for inquiry and report by 30 June 2009 in conjunction with the committee’s inquiry into the 2007 federal election.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>Mr President, I would like to move an amendment to that motion.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Senator Fielding, the debate is closed. You did not foreshadow an amendment, so you will have to seek leave to move an amendment.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>I seek leave to move an amendment.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Is leave granted?</p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>Mr President, it is quite a serious matter for the Senate at this stage to be asked to consider an amendment. I think it would be prudent for the Senate to hear what the amendment is before we give leave to consider the matter.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>I can only ask you to give leave or otherwise. Is leave granted?</p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>I would like to hear what the amendment is before we vote on that matter.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>The amendment is for the reporting date to be before November 2008.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Senators have heard the amendment. Is leave granted for Senator Fielding to move the amendment?</p>
- <p>Leave granted.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>I move:</p>
- <p><i>Omit “by 30 June 2009”, substitute “before November 2008”.</i></p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>Mr President, the Senate is being asked to agree to an unspecified date before November. If we are going to proceed with the matter, I suggest that the senator specify the reporting date that he wants the Senate to consider.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>If I heard the amendment correctly, Senator Fielding moved that it should be before November. If it is before November, the date would have to be 31 October or before.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>I just want to comment on the process here. We can make a determination on this, but it is inappropriate that the Senate be asked to deal with an amendment like this outside the debate.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Senator Brown, because Senator Fielding has moved the amendment and you have already spoken, you can only take a point of order or seek leave to make further comments.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>I haven’t spoken on the amendment.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Yes, you did. You spoke a few minutes ago. You are allowed to speak only once. After he moved the amendment you stood on your feet and spoke. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p>
- <p><i>Honourable senators interjecting-</i></p>
- <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p>
- <p>Mr President, although I supported the motion for an earlier date, I did not support the division. I do not know anyone else who supported the division.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>I was sure I heard two noes. I will put the question again. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I did hear two ayes. Is a division required?</p>
- <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p>
- <p>No.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p>
- <p><i>Honourable senators interjecting-</i></p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>Order! Let’s get this clarified properly. I am going to put the question one more time. Is the amendment moved by Senator Fielding agreed to? Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I think the noes have it. Is a division required?</p>
- <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p>
- <p>Yes.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>I am sorry, Senator Fielding; only one voice said yes.</p>
- <p>Question negatived.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p>
- <p>Mr President, I ask that the Greens support for the amendment be recorded.</p>
- <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p>
- <p>The question now is that proposed reference No. 8, relating to the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008, be agreed to.</p>
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<p>Mr President, a point of clarification: what is the date on that referral coming back?</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I will read the whole question, which is: that the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008 be referred to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters for inquiry and report by 30 June 2009 in conjunction with the committee’s inquiry into the 2007 federal election.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>Mr President, I would like to move an amendment to that motion.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senator Fielding, the debate is closed. You did not foreshadow an amendment, so you will have to seek leave to move an amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>I seek leave to move an amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Is leave granted?</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, it is quite a serious matter for the Senate at this stage to be asked to consider an amendment. I think it would be prudent for the Senate to hear what the amendment is before we give leave to consider the matter.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I can only ask you to give leave or otherwise. Is leave granted?</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I would like to hear what the amendment is before we vote on that matter.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>The amendment is for the reporting date to be before November 2008.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senators have heard the amendment. Is leave granted for Senator Fielding to move the amendment?</p> <p>Leave granted.</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>I move:</p><p class="italic">Omit “by 30 June 2009”, substitute “before November 2008”.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, the Senate is being asked to agree to an unspecified date before November. If we are going to proceed with the matter, I suggest that the senator specify the reporting date that he wants the Senate to consider.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>If I heard the amendment correctly, Senator Fielding moved that it should be before November. If it is before November, the date would have to be 31 October or before.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I just want to comment on the process here. We can make a determination on this, but it is inappropriate that the Senate be asked to deal with an amendment like this outside the debate.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Senator Brown, because Senator Fielding has moved the amendment and you have already spoken, you can only take a point of order or seek leave to make further comments.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>I haven’t spoken on the amendment.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Yes, you did. You spoke a few minutes ago. You are allowed to speak only once. After he moved the amendment you stood on your feet and spoke. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to.</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p class="italic">Honourable senators interjecting—</p> <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p><p>Mr President, although I supported the motion for an earlier date, I did not support the division. I do not know anyone else who supported the division.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I was sure I heard two noes. I will put the question again. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Fielding be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I did hear two ayes. Is a division required?</p> <p class="speaker">Andrew Murray</p><p>No.</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p class="italic">Honourable senators interjecting—</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>Order! Let’s get this clarified properly. I am going to put the question one more time. Is the amendment moved by Senator Fielding agreed to? Those of that opinion say aye and those against say no. I think the noes have it. Is a division required?</p> <p class="speaker">Steve Fielding</p><p>Yes.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>I am sorry, Senator Fielding; only one voice said yes.</p> <p class="speaker">Honourable Senators</p><p>Question negatived.</p> <p class="speaker">Bob Brown</p><p>Mr President, I ask that the Greens support for the amendment be recorded.</p> <p class="speaker">Alan Ferguson</p><p>The question now is that proposed reference No. 8, relating to the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Political Donations and Other Measures) Bill 2008, be agreed to.</p>
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